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	<title>Comments on: The Right to Arm Bears</title>
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	<description>Musings on culture and politics by baseball writer Steven Goldman</description>
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		<title>By: jcs5872</title>
		<link>http://www.wholesomereading.com/2008/11/25/the-right-to-arm-bears/#comment-435</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun P., 

point taken.
-js</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun P., </p>
<p>point taken.<br />
-js</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
		<link>http://www.wholesomereading.com/2008/11/25/the-right-to-arm-bears/#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>js, hey, when even their "hero" Antonin Scalia says its so, how can it not be so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>js, hey, when even their &#8220;hero&#8221; Antonin Scalia says its so, how can it not be so?</p>
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		<title>By: BTC</title>
		<link>http://www.wholesomereading.com/2008/11/25/the-right-to-arm-bears/#comment-424</link>
		<dc:creator>BTC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK -- so we pass laws to limit private gun ownership.  Who will follow the laws?  The law-abiding citizens (who are responsible for very few violent crimes).  How do we control and regulate the inner-city gangs, the organized crime groups, and the rest of the common criminals who use their (many times illegally acquired) guns to perpetrate their crimes.  I am certainly for better regulation, but at some point we have to realize that the argument for or against regulation is only the aspirin we are taking to treat the injury rather than actually treating the injury itself.

Great article Steve, as an early American history teacher it is refreshing to see a real perspective on the topics rather than a watered down, rah rah sis boom bah version presented by our textbooks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK &#8212; so we pass laws to limit private gun ownership.  Who will follow the laws?  The law-abiding citizens (who are responsible for very few violent crimes).  How do we control and regulate the inner-city gangs, the organized crime groups, and the rest of the common criminals who use their (many times illegally acquired) guns to perpetrate their crimes.  I am certainly for better regulation, but at some point we have to realize that the argument for or against regulation is only the aspirin we are taking to treat the injury rather than actually treating the injury itself.</p>
<p>Great article Steve, as an early American history teacher it is refreshing to see a real perspective on the topics rather than a watered down, rah rah sis boom bah version presented by our textbooks.</p>
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		<title>By: jcs5872</title>
		<link>http://www.wholesomereading.com/2008/11/25/the-right-to-arm-bears/#comment-419</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun P. Thanks for the clarifcation.  It will be interesing to see if your average anti-control advocates ever accept that some regulation is reasonable.
-js</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun P. Thanks for the clarifcation.  It will be interesing to see if your average anti-control advocates ever accept that some regulation is reasonable.<br />
-js</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
		<link>http://www.wholesomereading.com/2008/11/25/the-right-to-arm-bears/#comment-418</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come to think of it, I believe that Jack Rakove was the one who showed that Scalia's use of the historical data in Heller was lacking.  I still have no idea where I read that, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come to think of it, I believe that Jack Rakove was the one who showed that Scalia&#8217;s use of the historical data in Heller was lacking.  I still have no idea where I read that, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
		<link>http://www.wholesomereading.com/2008/11/25/the-right-to-arm-bears/#comment-417</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>js, IIRC, there is language in Heller that makes clear that "reasonable" regulations are OK.  The question, of course, is what is reasonable?  Let the lawsuits begin!

On the broader point of using the Framers' Intent to determine what the Constitution means, Steve, I couldn't agree with you more.  "Half the time they didn’t agree on their intent, and the other half of the time they weren’t very good about making their intent clear."  Indeed.  And they were not all the copious note-takers that Madison was!  I'm pretty sure he wasn't speaking for everyone.

Going back to Heller again, and I wish I could remember where I read this, apparently some of the historical data that the majority relied upon was either inaccurate, or taken out of context, or both.  In other words, Scalia ought to have left history for the historians - but of course originalists can't do that!

Finally, I'm no Constitutional Law scholar, but as an attorney, I know that the meaning of a word frequently depends on what my client's best interests require.  So yeah, words can definitely mean whatever we want them to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>js, IIRC, there is language in Heller that makes clear that &#8220;reasonable&#8221; regulations are OK.  The question, of course, is what is reasonable?  Let the lawsuits begin!</p>
<p>On the broader point of using the Framers&#8217; Intent to determine what the Constitution means, Steve, I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.  &#8220;Half the time they didn’t agree on their intent, and the other half of the time they weren’t very good about making their intent clear.&#8221;  Indeed.  And they were not all the copious note-takers that Madison was!  I&#8217;m pretty sure he wasn&#8217;t speaking for everyone.</p>
<p>Going back to Heller again, and I wish I could remember where I read this, apparently some of the historical data that the majority relied upon was either inaccurate, or taken out of context, or both.  In other words, Scalia ought to have left history for the historians - but of course originalists can&#8217;t do that!</p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;m no Constitutional Law scholar, but as an attorney, I know that the meaning of a word frequently depends on what my client&#8217;s best interests require.  So yeah, words can definitely mean whatever we want them to.</p>
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		<title>By: jcs5872</title>
		<link>http://www.wholesomereading.com/2008/11/25/the-right-to-arm-bears/#comment-411</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, 

I am glad you are blogging on this topic, it is one I have been thinking about a lot lately for several reasons. I am by no means a constitutional expert let alone an expert on the second amendment, but as I understand the issue, the disagreement, between gun control advocates and the anti-control crowd is, as you pointed out, whether the amendment refers to the state's right to maintain a militia, or an individual's right to own a gun. It seems as though the Supreme Court very recently ruled in favor of the individual right. Fine.  

The question I have for the anti-control crowd, is why do you seem to oppose any kind of regulations on gun ownership?  Whether, you interpret the amendment to be speaking of state's rights or individual rights, the rationale for the right seems to be the necessity of a "well-regulated militia".  Doesn't the well-regulated part explicitly allow for regulation of some kind?  Yet, it seems that the anti-control crowd interprets every attempt at regulation as an infringement of the right.  One would think that rational individuals would agree on the necessity of gun control, but that is rarely what happens in practice.  Can an anti-control advocate provide an example of any reasonable level of control that they would find acceptable?

Also, George Will, in this Sunday's Washington Post, wrote about an article in the Virginia Law Review authored by conservative judge J. Harvie Wilkinson of the U.S. Court of Appeals Fourth Circuit.  Interestingly, Judge Wilkinson argues that District of Columbia v. Heller was wrongly decided and even more interestingly, it was wrongly decided for the same reason Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided (in his opinion).  The link to Will's Post article is below.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/21/AR2008112102653.html

-js</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, </p>
<p>I am glad you are blogging on this topic, it is one I have been thinking about a lot lately for several reasons. I am by no means a constitutional expert let alone an expert on the second amendment, but as I understand the issue, the disagreement, between gun control advocates and the anti-control crowd is, as you pointed out, whether the amendment refers to the state&#8217;s right to maintain a militia, or an individual&#8217;s right to own a gun. It seems as though the Supreme Court very recently ruled in favor of the individual right. Fine.  </p>
<p>The question I have for the anti-control crowd, is why do you seem to oppose any kind of regulations on gun ownership?  Whether, you interpret the amendment to be speaking of state&#8217;s rights or individual rights, the rationale for the right seems to be the necessity of a &#8220;well-regulated militia&#8221;.  Doesn&#8217;t the well-regulated part explicitly allow for regulation of some kind?  Yet, it seems that the anti-control crowd interprets every attempt at regulation as an infringement of the right.  One would think that rational individuals would agree on the necessity of gun control, but that is rarely what happens in practice.  Can an anti-control advocate provide an example of any reasonable level of control that they would find acceptable?</p>
<p>Also, George Will, in this Sunday&#8217;s Washington Post, wrote about an article in the Virginia Law Review authored by conservative judge J. Harvie Wilkinson of the U.S. Court of Appeals Fourth Circuit.  Interestingly, Judge Wilkinson argues that District of Columbia v. Heller was wrongly decided and even more interestingly, it was wrongly decided for the same reason Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided (in his opinion).  The link to Will&#8217;s Post article is below.<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/21/AR2008112102653.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/21/AR2008112102653.html</a></p>
<p>-js</p>
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